Uutisvirta

Treehugger
I suspect there are some typical issues. Like, handling superglue without making a mess, or ending up with other issues, like gluing on photo etch too good so you can't get them off, instead best add minimal amount to make it stick, and then if happy, maybe add some more afterwards.

I am exploring using UV glue that goes hard only after long time, or, by using (potentially hazardous without protective goggles) a small UV flashlight to make the glue go hard when you want it to, and so not quickly like with basic cyanoacrylate. I don't like the consistency of this glue though, it sort of reminds me of sticky epoxy glue, even though iirc it is runny and not gel like.

Getting a smooth finish I guess is also tricky, with every tiny scratch showing through a layer of airbrushed paint. Vallejo putty is nice to use, simple and fairly non-toxic afaik, easily removed with a sharp blade, and then gently go over with metal file and sanding stick or a small piece of sanding sponge.

A recent halleluja moment was using a thinner mix for Vallejo paints, really helps on tip dry issues. I also finally learned to start using my 0.5 airbrush (more paint flow), and not keep airbrushing larger models with my 0.35 airbrush, that hardly puts out paint.

I also seem to have finally learned to put on a nice smooth and shiny layer of gloss coat, using Vallejo's gloss varnish (old type?) together with this thinner mix containing more retarder in it.

I guess there is also an issue of composition, making sure one uses the correct colors, and add enough details, like rigging on ships, so that isn't missing.

I've bought some Abteilung oil tubes, for weathering, but haven't started using this, afraid of making mistakes.

Other mistakes, might be something simple as forgetting things, doing what you had planned in your head, in the wrong order, the week after. Having too much fun putting things together, forgetting that you intended to do some extra stuff, or even, forgetting to glue on this one part that was supposed to go on the inside model early on.

Kesa Tiho
Oh wow, thanks

Treehugger
What are your issues though?

Kesa Tiho
Mainly just with glue and overusing it

Treehugger
Well, hopefully you are not using tube glue. Everyone now is using Tamiya's Extra Thin cement I would think. And that liquid glue is supposed to be applied on the OUTSIDE of the seams, not inside like in the old days with gooey tube glue.

Btw Tamiya's big bottle of airbrush cleaner liquid (250ml), is apparently the same chemical as their Extra Thin liquid glue, which should cut down cost by a lot. 🙂

Btw, I noticed yesterday someone on youtube recommended mixing Tamiya's acrylic X-20A thinner with Vallejo paints, as it was claimed the Tamiya stuff contained a retarder agent in it. Haven't tried it myself yet.

Kesa Tiho
Well yeah im not using tube glue, even though i have extra thin cement i prefer Tamiya's normal cement. And sadly i dont have an airbrush nor the money to buy one

Treehugger
I think multiple thin layers of paint with a flat brush might the way to go, but I never got around to try that out myself. Btw, I found that putting on a primer color, might as well be good enough, not requiring additional color on top. Say, NATO green primer, if NATO green is what you wanted anyway.

A layer of paint can probably be safely sanded with some sanding sponge, asssuming you don't hit any edge of details where the paint will be surely stripped. And then, adding a varnish on top, hides any roughness after going over the painted surface with some small piece of sanding sponge to remove uneven bits of paint. This ofc, only works if you consistently sand each layer from the bottom, else the bottom layer might have tops/hills that shine through, if you ONLY sand the top layers of paint.

Martin Oostrom
And Youtube Video

Martin Oostrom
Augie Paint by brush. Better than a few folks with airbrushes. All in the technique

gorby
We all need to start somewhere Kesa, at the start of any hobby, the quality of the finish isn't the goal, it's enjoying yourself. No photos of my early models exist as I didn't have a camera when I was your age, I guarantee they looked crap – too much glue, no filler, all the decals silvered and many of them didn't even get painted….but I loved it.
When I returned to the hobby nine years ago after a 37 year break I started simply – simple kits with no weathering, no washes, no photo etch and no added details. The skills I have now have grown over the years because I wanted too try new things. If my aim was to become as good as some of the Scalemates master modellers I see every day, I'd give up now because that's never going to happen. A hobby should be about enjoyment, if you put pressure on yourself to achieve perfection you're just going to end up frustrated and giving up the modelling. Take your time to improve and enjoy the journey.
I still overuse glue. I'm old-school so I usually prefer Revell Contacta and occasionally Tamiya Thin. If you find your having problems using too much, try applying the glue with a cocktail stick.
As Martin mentioned, it's entirely possible to get good results painting with a brush. Augie's builds look like they've been airbrushed, but I bet that hasn't always been the case. No doubt she started by daubing the paint on like the rest of us and gradually improved over time. There are many type of brush and each has their own job, if you use the wrong one it won't help. Don't rush to get an airbrush until you are sure modelling is going to be something you will be doing for a few years.
I'll let you into a secret. I like modelling 1/72 vehicles because I'm crap at, and don't like weathering and my poor skills in that area are less noticeable on 1/72 models than they would be on 1/35. I don't learn to weather better because my enjoyment is building and adding details, not painting and particularly not weathering. By that stage I'm usually thinking about the next build and don't want to waste time weathering.
Also, don't forget that every aircraft or vehicle you build was new at the start of it's life and it's perfectly okay of you want to build it as factory-finish. Many people do and that doesn't mean their models are any worse than a model of a Panzer which has been though every puddle on the Eastern front.
Have fun. 🙂

Kesa Tiho
Wow thats a lot of text lol. Yeah i guess we all do start somewhere. And (no offence) i know your stating the obvious things that i should know but your words sound really wise

DuperScale
Dont worry mate, we all startet. My first model i build was a revell 1/72 corsair and i didnt even had paint for it. 😬

I can really recomment the tamiya thin glue and airbrush.

Youtube Video

This F-18 was my first try using a crappy revell airbrush but damn i loved the result. I didnt had clearcoat or weathering stuff.

With the time and every model you learn something new and improve. I still try new things on every model and still mess them up.

Keep going. 👍

David Taylor
If you become good at it a good brush master can achieve brilliant results.After many years with the hairy stick I'm still rubbish at it but it's a personal thing.

Juergen Klinglhuber
Started this one.
The Ju 86 which were seen in 2 different Austrian markings, but at the end was never part of the Airforce. Here the overall silver Ju86 #311 at the airshow in Vienna-Aspern in early 1937.

Cuajete
Following 👍

Robert Podkoński
Interesting. Taking a seat here, of course!

Łukasz Gliński
Me 3 👍

Alec K
Me 4 🙂

Finn
I'm in

Dave Flitton
Watching!

Juergen Klinglhuber
Hello mates and thank you for your interest!

Juergen Klinglhuber
The mention aircraft was sent to the Airshow in Aspern as a "demonstrator" in austrian marking. Austria was interessed in buying 18 Ju86K-7. Due to several reasons Junkers was not prepared for that airshow and on short note removed the markings of an 86K-2 that was already prepared to be sold to Sweden. They put on austrian markings, a service number #311 and flew it over to Austria for just this one day. Flight captain Behrendt did a good job and the aerobatic air-display was a great success. So far so good. Why I am telling this? 86-K2 is a differend engine and cowling. The box is a 86E1/2. Aftermarket conversion products are out there (Kora) .....I had difficulties to locate/buy some.
Therefore: it is Scratchbuilding time again !!! 😎

Guy Rump
Following. 👍

Juergen Klinglhuber
Welcome Guy

Alec K
Nice progress. Modelimex is a place to get the Kora parts from, just in case 👍

Łukasz Gliński
There's one set here 😛
mojehobby.pl/product..I-Prewar-Bomber.html

Cuajete
Good explanation, Juergen 👍

Juergen Klinglhuber
thx Alec &Lukasz for you very kind support 👍 - appreciated.
But the first cuts are already done - no way back now 😉
(and I have to odmit: usually I like it to test my skills by a DIY task every now and then)

Bernd Grün
An Austrian Ju 86, I'm in! Nice start, Jürgen! 👍

Juergen Klinglhuber
Hi Bernd! thx

J35J
Great start! Watching with intrest.

Juergen Klinglhuber
Thank you and welcome J35J.

Stefan Fraundorfer
Ah, a new and very interesting project. Of course I will follow that. Have fun with the Ju 86 Jürgen.

Juergen Klinglhuber
Welcome aboard Stefan!

Juergen Klinglhuber
I have finished the modification on the engine resp. cowling. Some new pic's up-loaded.

Roland Sachsenhofer
Very interesting and extremely promising! We talked about it in Ried, and now I'm delighted to see these ideas being realised in such an impressive way!

Juergen Klinglhuber
🙏 Thx alot Roland, I am happy to receive your appreciation.

Nicolas
I'm joining this interesting build.

Łukasz Gliński
Impressive rework of the engines 👍

Alec K
I agree, looks very good 👍

TH SCALE MODELS (Thomas Haberl)
Nice progress Jürgen! I´m in to see how this beauty comes together 👍

Cuajete
Fantastic mods, 👌

Juergen Klinglhuber
Thank you mates for leaving your nice comments.Iam wWorking on the exhaust pipe currently. New picture up-date should be ready after this coming weekend.

Juergen Klinglhuber
All mod's are completted now - after adding the windows of the cockpit I can move it to the paint hangar.

Roland Sachsenhofer
Looks beautiful, clean and masterly done!

Juergen Klinglhuber
Hey - thank you Roland for your feedback. That gives motivation of course 🙂

Roland Sachsenhofer
That's great, that's how it should be, because your construction progress here gives me inspiration 🙂

Juergen Klinglhuber
Ju86 just left the paint hangar,...

Alec K
The metal finish looks great, has nice variation to it 👍

Thomas Kolb
I agree with Alec, the metal surface looks very realistic in the photos!

Cuajete
I agree with Alec and Thomas. Great metallized! 👍

Juergen Klinglhuber
Thank you Alec, Thomas & Cuajete. When I had finished I thought: "Grab, overdone. This bird was for sure not that worn as it went to the airshow more or less fresh from the manufacturer." But the more looked at it the more I was okay with the result. So your comments are welcome and soothe my concerns. 👍

Nicolas
Don't worry Juergen, even on new airplanes there are sometimes clear visual differences in the sheet metal. For example, some manufacturers deburr the rivet holes with a grinding machine, the sheets are made of different alloys or are applied with different rolling directions, all of which have an influence on the appearance. I like it.

Juergen Klinglhuber
Thx Nicolas !!

Juergen Klinglhuber
DONE.
Uploades some pictures of the final result.

Robert Podkoński
Great job, Juergen!

Guy Rump
Great result! 👍

Duster_d
It looks wonderful! Well done!

J35J
Wow! Great build and paintwork! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Curatorm
Awesome!

Łukasz Gliński
Brilliant, love that shiny shading 👍

William Joel
Very nice. Neat additions. Thanks for sharing.

Nicolas
Very nice result. 👍

Cuajete
Very nice job. Fantastic result.
Congrats!

Moreno Baruffini
What a beauty! Superb result!

Alec K
Excellent build 👍

Juergen Klinglhuber
A very big "Thank You" to everyone for your positive feedback. My stash still contains of further bare metal birds - this comments give definitively good motivation. 👍
cheers.

gorby
Beautiful work!

Bernd Grün
Very nice result, Jürgen! 👌 I like your paint job very much.

Neuling
Same as Bernd!

Roland Sachsenhofer
A really great and very nice result, Jürgen - I think your whole project is really worth seeing - I also like the photos very much! Congratulations!

Juergen Klinglhuber
Many Thanks gorby, Bernd, Neuling & Roland. Much appriciated comments 🙂

John
Cool! I was wondering how all the extra parts in mine looked when done, very nice. 👍

If you will accept a bit of advice, when you complete the cabin "shell" that goes into the fuselage halves, be prepared to do a lot of trimming and fitting before closing up. On mine, the sides of the fuselage wanted to push the roof of the cabin down and also hit the edges of the windscreen opening and that left a big gap on top. I finally got it acceptable fit, but even then, I wish I had cut more away because the cabin roof does not quite fit flush.

Qwertzel
Thanks for the advice. I'll take care of it 🙂
I build a lot of Revell kits in the past and the fitting was different with every model. I have got everything between pretty good and horrible. It's always like a mysterious box.

John
I'm sure you will do well with all that Revell experience. 👍 The good news is that other than the cabin shell, the rest fits OK (ish) even the windscreens. But if you want doors closed, also be prepared to do some surgery on them.

John
Looking good! 👍 Have fun with the main glass and fiddly rotor bits (I didn't 😄)

Qwertzel
Thanks, I will try my best

Guy Rump
Looking good, following. 👍

Andre Louis
Looking good indeed! How did (or will) you paint the inside of the air intakes?

John is right with his comment, the cabine ceiling is a problem. I decided to keep the pilot door frames on the inside out for the moment. Without them the fitting seems to be quite good.

Qwertzel
Thanks Andre! I already painted the air intakes with my airbrush. Now I will mask everything off so the paint is save for the yellow.

Skyhiker
This looks fun