Panzer IV Ausf. E
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28 July 2013, 11:40
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@Christian: Das schreit nach einem Projekt. Da kannst Du dann auch die verwendeten Bausätze aus Deinem Stash hinzufügen.
4 August 2013, 13:10
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Thx. Mates! This one got together like a piece of cake. Next step will be some paint Keep you informed
30 August 2013, 19:10
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Nice job so far. just a little tweak: the protective part on the pilot vision block doesn't look well to me: it seems to be upside down.
31 August 2013, 07:25
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@ Lionel: Thanks for looking. The vision protection is a movable part. You can`t do anything wrong with it, cause there is only one way to fix it. But it`s very good to know that there are mates who look very closely 🙂
31 August 2013, 08:08
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I wonder, are the tracks glued on ? When do you paint them, before or after positioning ?
31 August 2013, 12:09
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Hi Aghis! Yes You are right, the tracks are glued on. I allways do it this way if Im working on Dragons Magic Tracks. Painting them is a little bit tricky, but fixing them after painting is difficult and can spoil the paint job. But anyway when it comes to tracks my first choice is Friul, but not for this one.
31 August 2013, 12:47
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Thanks for posting Christian, look forward to further pics and information!
31 August 2013, 13:11
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Looks great. I don`t get it, why this kit got such a bad reputation on the internet, while other Dragon kits with missing parts- so that they are even unbuildable like the recent Jagdpanzer IV ( A)- get all the praise.
31 August 2013, 13:34
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@ HK: I´m following Dragon since the early 90th. They produced very nice kits and a lot of junk as well. Kit no. 6264 is one of the best they ever made. There are allways some self made experts ( rivet counters ) who "know" what`s right or wrong. I just stopped listening to all of them...
31 August 2013, 16:57
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Well, I am a " camo counter", I laugh at the rivet counters with their tanks in red primer especially red barrels 🙂
31 August 2013, 17:39
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You exactly understood what I was talking about... 🙂 Modelling is a hobby and should be fun.
31 August 2013, 17:44
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@Christian:
"Modelling is a hobby and should be fun." 👍
"...(rivet counters)... I just stopped listening to all of them..." --- Why not listening to them? It helps, especially when you can't sleep "1 rivet, 2 rivets, 3 rivets, 4 rivets, 5 rivets, 6 rivets......"😉
31 August 2013, 23:06
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Thx. Markus! Try to do my best one this one. Started painting the "Riders" today. Keep you informed.
1 September 2013, 18:26
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Christian,
I?ve been watching this post because I?m at about the same place with a Dragon SU-85/100 that I?m building.
I mounted the port tracks this morning
All day at work I pondered whether or not to try your method of painting them while they were mounted. It seemed like an easier method in one way but more difficult in another.
All day long I found it difficult to focus on little else at work.
Got home from work and gave the front wheel a little tweak with a #10 xacto blade and off came the tracks (in one piece!)Jagdpanzer 38(t) Hetzer; late Production Academy - Nr. 13230 | Album by winterfritz (1:35)
So I?m going with convention.
Anyway I do have a question Christian (or whoever else can answer). What is that glue product in the blue bottle? I?ve seen it used quite effectively on YouTube and can?t seem to find it at any of my usual purveyors here in the United States.
Thanks for the post and information in advance!
WF
2 September 2013, 00:48
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Hi James,
the blue bottle is a simple plastic glue, Revell product:
modellbau-koenig.de/..5_g__i241_9335_0.htm
2 September 2013, 01:35
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@ James:Fixing the tracks before painting is a good idea if you want a vehicle painted in "Panzergrey". In this case I use flat black as a primer, which is perfect for the tracks and wheel bandages. After painting the whole running gear black I apply the grey color where it is needed. Next step is to highlight all prominent areas with a lighter shade of grey. Then the tracks get brush painted with heavy thinned rust. I let the paint flow in all areas that can`t be reached with the brush. Last step is belnding all colors with washes. All this works very well with "Panzergrey". But if you want a different color like green or dark yellow, I would paint the tracks and rubber parts seperatly.
2 September 2013, 07:18
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Interesting approach Christian??
I was thinking of doing sort of a similar thing with the ?heavy wash? technique you describe;
but I was going to use pigments.
Regarding the Panzer Gray?.
I?ve got a Panzer 1 build coming up, but it has rubber band tracks.
I?ll keep your advice in mind should the situation arise, I like to try new techniques!
Thanks for the tip!
2 September 2013, 12:18
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Little update: Started the paint job today. Painted the tracks , the running gear and the lower hull flat black. Did some preshading on the upper hull. Next step was a layer of light grey exept for the tracks and rubber bandages. Tomorrow I will apply some thin layers of panzergrey. Hopefully it works and the effect comes out in the way I planned it.
3 September 2013, 18:39
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Hi Christian
nice work I love the Pz. 4
But one thing is wrong, not you but Dragon did: the drive sprocket is way too low. normally it must be in line with the returnwheels.
best regards Joerg
3 September 2013, 20:18
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Hello Joerg! Thx. for looking. I know this issue, but it`s hard to correct. In their later Panzer IV kits dragon adressed this problem.
4 September 2013, 05:34
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Hi CHristian,
looks good up to now!
Hope to see more impressions soon...
4 September 2013, 05:47
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Looking real good Christian! I really like your shading of the gray tones.
I'm not really seeing what is meant by the drive sprocket being low...maybe a little.
For comparison, here's my shot of Dragon 6363 MK IV G Dragon Mk IV #6363 | Album by winterfritz (1:35)
4 September 2013, 06:07
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Hi James! Thx for your kind words. I used dragon kit no. 6264 for my model. This was the first of the new panzer IV series made by Dragon. For a review please follow this link:
perthmilitarymodelli..es/dragon/dr6264.htm
This review covers all the "problems" this kit might have. I`m no "Rivet Counter" so from my point of view it is nearly perfect.
4 September 2013, 07:32
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Little Update: Sprayed the inner parts white. Finished the paint job on the hull and turret with two very thin layers of panzergrey. Until now i only used my airbrush. The effects are several shades of grey due to the preshading. This is hard to see on the pics, but it`s all there. next steps will be the decals, detail painting and weathering.
6 September 2013, 14:33
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That panzer grey sure is dark, isn't it? From what I've read and seen though, that is correct.
Looking good!
Ever thought of hitting that with some oil dots?
Thanks for the post, watching with interest!
WF
6 September 2013, 15:04
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Thx for looking! Next step will be completing the figures.
16 September 2013, 18:59
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Managed to finish the Panzer IV. Still working on the figures.
7 September 2014, 08:08
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Hallo Christian. Dein Panzer IV gefällt mir sehr gut. Im Besonderen die Farbgebung deiner Ketten. Der Rostansatz wirkt nicht übertrieben.
So sollten Panzerketten ausschauen, wenn das Fahrzeug auf der Strasse bewegt wird (im Gelände ist das etwas anderes).
Was mir aufgefallen ist, sind deine geöffneten Lukendeckel am Turm. Diese wurden meines Wissens schon sehr früh in der Gefechtsfahrzeug
Entwicklung in der Aussenfarbe bemalt, um im aufgeklappten Zustand keine Unterbrechung der Tarnung zu haben. Ich kenne dies noch aus meiner "Panzerzeit" bei der Bundeswehr. Im Tankograd Heft "Panzerkampfwagen IV im Kampfeinsatz" findest du auf den Seiten 28,29,30 und 33 entsprechende Beispiele. Ich möchte hier aber nicht als Nietenzähler dastehen, denn letzten Endes sollten wir alle Spaß an der Sache haben. Gruß Dieter.
7 September 2014, 09:26
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Many Thanks mates!
@Dieter: Danke für den Tip! Das hat nichts mit Nietenzählerei zu tun. Ich bin für jede Kritik dankbar. Wie soll man sonst besser werden ? Die Turmluken kann man schnell nach arbeiten, da gehe ich doch gleich nochmal bei.
7 September 2014, 09:44
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Laß ruhig Christian. Gibt genug Fotos, wo die Luken innen ganz offensichtlich hell sind ( trotz des offiziellen Befehls diese in der Außenfarbe zu streichen). Ich habe hier sogar Bilder von DAK Panzern, die offensichtlich mit Afrikabraun übermalt wurden, und die Luken innen weiß gelassen wurden.
7 September 2014, 15:02
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Das stimmt, dass manche Luken bei Afrika Panzern wieder weiss gemalt wurden. Allerdings nachträglich. Die Gründe waren zum einen die Tarnung wäre auffällig gewesen und eine dunkle Luke erhitzt sich noch mehr. Original Aussage eines Afrika-kämpfers
7 September 2014, 16:20
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Yep Christian, you are definitely getting the hang of this modelling lark ! 😄
really nice
7 September 2014, 18:20
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THX again Choppa, but my skills are rather limited. Allways trying to do the best, but so many bugs....
But anyway, 48 years of modelling and still having fun !
7 September 2014, 19:02
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Hallo Christian, ganz gut soweit. Was mir gerade auffiel, ist, dass die Decals etwas arg silbern schimmern. Benutzt du einen Setter und Weichmacher? Das solltest du, um solche Effekte zu vermeiden
13 September 2014, 08:13
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Probably bad decals. I had this problem with my Dragon Hornisse. Looked fine on the carrier, but extreme silvering on the model. Micro Sol did not help at all. I had to cover the decal with extreme weathering; ruined my plan to depict a relativly new vehicle.
13 September 2014, 15:02
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Did you paint the tracks and wheels after they were glued in place?
13 September 2014, 22:40
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Wirklich geile Arbeit! Da gibt es nix auszusetzen, ausser die Marke des Bieres... (Just kidding)😢
14 September 2014, 01:03
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Sind das Magic Tracks? Der Durchhang ist echt sehr realistisch!
14 September 2014, 01:04
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Many Thx Mates!
@Parik: Everything was glued in place before painting.
@Dieter: Was ist DACO RED?
@Holger: Das sind die Magic Tracks aus dem Bausatz. Die lassen sich gut verarbeiten.
@Holger: "Zwei Freunde sitzen am Tresen und werden gefragt was sie denn trinken möchten. Ein Jever Pils sagt der erste. Der zweite bestellt ein Glas Wasser. Möchtest Du denn kein Bier ? fragt der Erste. Nein, wenn Du keins trinktst möchte ich auch keins...
14 September 2014, 06:01
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Holger hat recht. Daco Red ist so ziemlich die stärkste Weichmacher Variante. DACO macht auch Decals für Flugzeugmodelle etc.
14 September 2014, 15:26
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Some small upgrade ... Painted the fuel trailer and prepainted the tank riders. Hope that you like it.
14 September 2014, 17:48
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I love it!!!
Whats the best color to make chipped paint with ??
14 September 2014, 18:27
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Many THX Hunter! In my opinion there is no special color which can be used for chipping only. I think the key is applying it the right way. This can be done using a sponge or an old brush. I used the brush method on this one... modellversium.de/gal..-109-e-4-airfix.html
small scale but good result. (Only to my limited skills...)
14 September 2014, 18:40
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@Hunter - The chipping colour from AK (AK 711) is very helpful... But you can use other similar colours too.
14 September 2014, 19:33
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@Christian - Ich bin immer wieder erstaunt über Deine Vorgehensweise. Na ja... das muß man Dir schon auch life erleben. 👍
14 September 2014, 19:35
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Many THX Mates for your kind words!
@Mike: Was ist daran so besonders?? Halt so wie immer.
15 September 2014, 05:35
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In my opinion old chipping should be a bit rust colored. New chipping should be dark metal and on planes it shoud be silver.
15 September 2014, 05:54
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@Fabian: The fuel trailer is from Dragon. This is the kit:
Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. E Tauchpanzer (Dragon 6402, 1:35)
15 September 2014, 07:37
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Thanks, I only knew the one with a single barrel which comes with one of Dragons 38(t)´s
15 September 2014, 09:42
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Danke Alter! Nur die Fotos sind echte Schnellschüsse. Vor 10 Minuten unter der Schreibtischlampe gemacht. 🙂
23 September 2014, 19:06
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Daher kein Blick auf deren Gesichter?😉
Die Stiefel der Landser sehen megagut aus!
23 September 2014, 19:13
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Genau Holger! Wenn die Besatzung komplett ist mache ich bessere Bilder mit Gesichtern. Da fehlen aber noch 4 Mann.
23 September 2014, 19:16
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"Thank you bro! Only the photos are real quick shots . Made 10 minutes ago, under the desk lamp"
Common tongue please otherwise some of us might feel left out of the conversation 😄 😄 😄
ah, so thats why it looks so bleached on the lighter bits.... looking good though 🙂
23 September 2014, 19:18
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Well Choppa, many thx for the quick translation. Some better pics will follow when the crew is completed. Four comrades still need some paint.
@ Mike: Ist noch lange nicht fertig und bietet nach wie vor jede Menge Potential das Ganze zu versemmeln.
23 September 2014, 19:23
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lol 🙂
"Is not finished yet and still offers plenty of potential for the whole thing to versemmeln"
versemmeln ? I wonder what that means ? 🙂
23 September 2014, 19:55
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Well Choppa... This is a bit difficult to translate from it`s original meaning. It`s a german term for scrapping or spoiling something. Sorry but no betterexplanation. (:
23 September 2014, 20:03
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hey no worries, Christian but I appreciate the insight 🙂
I take it is a weathering technique (or when you have ruined something and need to start again)
one of those two must be the tight answer 😄
23 September 2014, 20:07
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No Choppa. If you have"versemmelt" something it`s lost and can`t be brought back. After such an action you are the "Master of Desaster"
23 September 2014, 20:14
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wow, eben erst wieder gesehen, tolle Fortschritte! Nur der Kanister hinten, bleibt der in dieser Position, oder will der gerade runter fallen?😉 Wobei der Eine vorne wohl auch beim ersten Ruckler auf dem Boden liegt 😛 👍
24 September 2014, 09:33
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Danke Dir Jonns!
Die Kanister liegen lose auf. Ob die so bleiben weiß ich noch nicht. Es fehlen auch noch ein paar Figuren.
24 September 2014, 09:46
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Danke Dir Acki! Das mit dem Bier hatten wir hier schon...Jever Pils? Prima! (Aber nur als Additiv für die Scheibenwaschanlage)
24 September 2014, 10:30
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a nice feeling, especially with a result that you can be happy with such as this 🙂
27 September 2014, 13:59
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Beautiful, but for spring, winter, wouldnt there be alot more wet, caky mud?
27 September 2014, 14:20
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Toll gemacht bisher, nur für Winter ist das Dingens zu sauber! Wenn du das beim Diobau mit erledigst, biste raus aus der Nummer!😉 👍
27 September 2014, 15:21
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Many Thx Mates!
@ Jonns: Hast recht, etwas Modder am Fahrwerk könnte nicht schaden. Mal sehen was da noch geht.
28 September 2014, 07:47
Album info
Started this one yesterday.