Caudron Renault CR.714 Cyclone build log 1:72

Nigel Brand
Such a fragile little model. I have the Heller one. Good luck!

Robert Podkoński
You're really a brave man, Michael! Keep it up!

Cuajete
Following.

Moreno Baruffini
Another great challenge! Keep it up Michael!

I've the masterkit, probably the same moulding...

Michael Jonker
Thanks all.
Moreno, I think a lot of these kits across many brands are coming from a very old Hella original moulding. The horrible seat is a giveaway!

Ogre-Trombone
I just did this kit a few weeks ago. Looks like you have a good plan for it. The molding of the wings is just terrible! Watching with interest.

Skyhiker
Ohh I'm liking the look of that! Great little challenge.

Guy Rump
Following. 👍

Michael Jonker
I got some time to work on this again. A lot of sanding done and the canopy is masked.

Cuajete
Interesting alternative masking method 👍
Great job so far!

Moreno Baruffini
I agree with the above! The masking technique reminds me a tutorial I saw where it was suggested to use the aluminium foil from the Lindor chocolate which should adhere without glue

Villiers de Vos
Nice progress.

Michael Jonker
@ Moreno and Cuajete, here is the tutorial I got the foil masking idea from:
Youtube Video

Skyhiker
I can't imagine that working well. Aluminum foil tends to rip because it's so thin.

Ben M
Carving a model from a solid blob of putty is quite an accomplishment

Cuajete
Thanks for the video, Michael 👍

Andy Ball
My goodness! why didn't I think of that?!! I use bare metal foil for my landing light reflectors - great progress BTW

Michael Jonker
Any advice on using Vallejo grey primer will be appreciated. I have shown the problem in photo 49.

Skyhiker
Anything with Vallejo on it put in the trash. Its based on true acrylics.

Andy Ball
I've not had great results from Vallejo's black and grey primer. Best try an alternative, some say Mr Surfacer range. I'm using AKXtreme black base.

Michael Jonker
Thanks Skywalker and Andy. I used to just use Tamiya paints or old school Humbrol Enamels when milk was delivered to front doors in glass bottles...

I am switching to pure acrylics because I don't have a ventilated, dedicated work space. Very much the kitchen table when the wife allows it😅

Surely there must be a trick to the stuff. A lot of people swear by it.

Moreno Baruffini
Hi Michael, I use AK can primer and it doesn't smell so much. Maybe you could also spray it outside, it takes only a few seconds

Skyhiker
The video in Spanish is directly from Vallejo. So if anyone will know best they will.

Skyhiker
My experience with Vallejo is that their paints are based on true acrylics, meaning they are a form of plastic rubber which doesn't respond well to sanding (they can peel off) and they tend to clog the airbrush. For something like a figure they work well but for an airplane they can be problematic. I usually use Mr Surfacer 1500 with Mr Leveling fluid but if you are working at home without ventilation I would not use these products because they are lacquer based and use acetone. Instead I would try mixing your Vallejo primer with Vallejo airbrush thinner or Tamiya X-20A Acrylic Thinner and if that doesn't work buy Tamiya primer and if necessary mix it with Tamiya X-20A Acrylic Thinner.

Skyhiker
I forgot to mention that it is a good idea to clean the model before applying primer with rubbing alcohol to get rid of any oil from your skin. But be careful not to use alcohol on anything already painted as it will remove the paint. Make sure the primer is well mixed before applying. Note you can use rubbing alcohol as a thinner instead of buying a thinner but it can be a bit aggressive.

Skyhiker
As far as acrylics paints are concerned Tamiya acrylic paints usually work best because they are not true acrylics. They sand well and usually don't clog if thinned with water or better Tamiya X-20A Acrylic Thinner. And if you ever do get a well ventilated space you can use them with Mr leveling fluid.

Michael Jonker
Thanks Skywalker, I am trying again following the video advice. I will see what tomorrow brings!

The black primer I have from Vallejo I notice is their "mecha" range. It is not what I ordered, and I thought it was the same as the standard when it arrived just branded different. Turns out not. It goes on easier, dries quicker and sands well.

Skyhiker
They say the Mecha Black Primer contains primer and basecoat in one, whatever that means. Good to know that it sands well.

Michael Jonker
The Vallejo grey primer works a treat as shown in #53. Needs a lot of finesse and patience though, it's not for anybody in a hurry!

Thanks again Skywalker.

Skyhiker
I'm glad that worked out for you. Looking forward to watching your progress.

Greg Baker
Oh, now this is interesting. I love the CR. 714 and built one of the Heller kits a few years ago. I've got the original boxing of this kit too, so I'm keen to see what you've done with it.

The 714 has a weird open flap over the engine cowling. That gave me fits trying to replicate it. My album is here, if. You're interested… C.714 "Cyclone" - Greg Baker (WHIF) - Build Log | Album by strobez (1:72)

Greg Baker
Oh, and the final result is here C.714 "Cyclone" - Greg Baker (WHIF) - Completed | Album by strobez (1:72)

Michael Jonker
You did an awesome job on your C.714 Greg. I am not so brave as to cut the canopy, so I made up my own fake detail behind the pilot seat to allow the canopy to slide in over. The Plastyk kit is the same moulding, just well more worn than the Heller. I had to sand the canopy (which was not that clear to start) to get any kind of fit ...

I will not be attempting the flaps, it's too complicated for this kit. The back end of the wing inboard if the ailerons splits open including the back of the gun housing. Scribing the panel lines will have to do.

Hopefully it turns out nice for all the trouble on this cheap kit. I am enjoying it anyway, but then again, some people are into even stranger things😂

Michael Jonker
Sorry Greg, I think this is what you meant with the flap you mentioned:

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I have scribed this on the sides of the cowling, but added about .5mm of a raised line around the bottom of the engine cowling.

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Greg Baker
Yeah, that's what I was talking about. The C.714 has a weird opening on the engine cowling (I think I read it was to keep the engine cool). I did my best to replicate it by cutting a hole and then partially covering it with some thin plastic paper. At first I had a lot of trouble figuring out how to cut that hole. But once I figured out I could just overlay a thin sheet, it worked well. Enough of a victory that ai remember it even now.

I picked up the original boxing of this kit, thinking it was a Heller rebox, but more "well worn" as you say. I was disappointed, but seeing what you're able to accomplish is inspiring. I might give that lumpy kit another go.

By the way, you did a great job on the wheel wells… that was the first thing i checked to see how you handled it. Very nice!

Michael Jonker
I showed how I am planning to deal with the cowling in #54.
The Plastyk kit I am building doesn't even have the surface detailing your Heller has @Greg😂

I think this one is much more modern and accurate, but where's the fun in that!

Caudron CR.714 (RS Models 92242, 1:72)

Tyson Tu
Learning so much just from the comments on this 😀 Following the rest of the build with interest!

Skyhiker
If you find the preshading to be too dominant under a yellow coat, you can paint the area with a base color of red, brown or white, and then paint the yellow over the base color. Otherwise you'll be painting 100 coats of yellow and still not be satisfied. Adding a touch of white in the paint can help yellow become more opaque, but it's often not possible to get the right chroma when you do that.

Michael Jonker
Thanks Skywalker. I got to about coat 102 before I was satisfied with the shading over the black ...
I will take the advice for the next time around 😄

I am about to put a touch of lighter yellow post shade on and will post a photo shortly.

Skyhiker
102 seems to have been the magic number. Looks great with the highlights.

Moreno Baruffini
I totally agree 💯👍

Greg Baker
I always paint my yellow's with an undercoat of pink. It works... and gives the yellow a much richer tone.

Cuajete
I agree with Moreno and Greg 👍

Skyhiker
Camo is looking good

Monte
Yes, reading the comments has been very educational, I appreciate the knowledge being shared. On 59, where you talk about having an issue with the paint drying in the needle - what paint were you using?

Michael Jonker
Thanks @Skyhiker

@Monte, I have switched to pure acrylics, mostly Vallejo air. At higher pressures it works great, but to get fine detail at low pressure with a 0.2 needle it almost instantly dries on the tip.

Loads of flow improver helps, 50/50. This is a ridiculous amount though. The recommended is 1/10. I have some Vallejo acrylic thinner on order. Hopefully that will help a bit. ATM I am just thinning with water.

Monte
I am working solely with acrylics as well. Have been using Vallejo for most of the hand brushing, some airbrushing, Mission Models mostly for the airbrush. I have not tried that sort of detail yet with an airbrush, but I am having good luck so far with MM primers and paints for general coverage. Thanks!

Moreno Baruffini
I find the camo very convincing. One of the best I saw concerning this topic 👍

Michael Jonker
Thanks Moreno, I am happy with it for this model and your compliment is appreciated.

I wanted the pre-shading to come through, but it took me a while and too many coats to make such detail.

The real acrylics tend to almost instantly dry on the needle tip at low pressure, and higher pressure causes spider webbing and over-spray. By the time I figured out the best settings / mix, the pre-shading was lost. (H&S "Evolution" 0.2mm @ 10psi, 50/50 pure acrylic (Vallejo Air) paint / flow improver) My acrylic thinners arrived today, so I will try that with my flow improver next time around!

Ogre-Trombone
I'm impressed with what you've been able to accomplish with this kit. It puts my half-baked efforts to shame!

Cuajete
I agree with Moreno and Ogre-Trombone 👍

Łukasz Gliński
You're pure masochist mate 👍

Michael Jonker
Thanks? Łukasz...
Plastyk does know how to satisfy. I drew a line however above BigModel, which I have one of in my stash! Next is probably a MisterCraft with raised panel lines to rescribe and rivet. One day, if I'm good, I have 2 Tamiyas to enjoy.

Cuajete
Michael, you are doing a great job with this kit 👍

Villiers de Vos
Very nice work.

Michael Le Busque
Following 😁

Michael Kohl
As a friend of mine used to say: I don't need good models, I am a good modeller. Seems to be the case with you too. 🙂

Greg Baker
Wow. This is really turning out well!

Moreno Baruffini
I was searching for some words, and Michael Kohl found the perfect quote!
You are for sure a GOOD modeller Michael J.!

Michael Jonker
Thanks for all the kind words. I added some glamor shots for posterity.

I am calling this one done!

Robert Podkoński
Chapeau bas!

Cuajete
Horrible kits no longer have to fear being thrown away trash thanks to great modelers like you.

Great job. Congrats!

Guy Rump
Great job! 👍

Andy Ball
You suffered for your art on that project. Great finals and a convincing landing!

Neuling
Very good result!

Vincent
This is a amazing build. I really enjoyed the build log and problem fixing. Very nice result in the end!!!

Łukasz Gliński
I don't think anybody ever built that kit so well 😄 Huge respect for your perseverance! 👍
I have to admit I don't like couple of details though: scratches on a wooden airplane and I think the markings are partially fictional (the horizontal white arrows apparently were added after the 1940 campaign, having made the same error on my Hawk).
Still, grand build mate 👍

Michael Jonker
Thanks again for all the additional kind words.

@Łukasz, TBH, I just used the decals out of the box without much thought to historical correctness. We can blame Plastyk😂

I did find some nice reference photos of a salvage example here: forum.odkrywca.pl/to..e-w-krakowie/page/4/

The airframe is all timber, but this looks like it is clad in metal panels with prominent chipping around the serviceable panels:
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Ogre-Trombone
Thanks for sharing that reference photo, @Michael Jonker. I wondered about the chipping too. At some point my own Cyclone may go back on the bench for some weathering.

You really turned this humble kit into a fine-looking model!

Robert Podkoński
Here you can find virtual tour in Polish Aviation Museum and cockpits, enjoy!
muzeumlotnictwa.pl/m..irtualne-zwiedzanie/
muzeumlotnictwa.pl/muzeum/pl/ekspozycja-stala/

Łukasz Gliński
OK, I see, didn't know it was panelled around the timber part 👍 Very interesting, need to remember that
Actually you can assume you went for the after Armistice markings 🙂 like I did 😄
I'm still impressed it completely doesn't look like Plastyk/Mistercrap after all 👍

Jennifer Franklin
This is beautiful work. I can see that I have a lot to learn from builders like you.