Prinz Eugen

Ingmar Stöhr
Inspired by Christians fabulous work I got myself the Eduard PE set for Prinz Eugen and resumed work on this project. The PE is fiddly, but easy to work with. These is the most delicate PE work I did so far, but it all fits very well. It is so much fun! I should have tried it earlier.

Es-haq Khosravi
Great job!

Hanno Kleinecke
Very clean and accurate work !Looking great so far . Like It.

Christian Bruer
Yep, this is a really sharp and clean work. It comes out nicer and nicer. Well done Ingmar and further one happy modeling with your PE🙂

Ingmar Stöhr
Just a little progress on the funnel

Choppa Nutta
👍

Clifford Keesler
I agree with Michael, bloody well done.

Ingmar Stöhr
Thx mates!

Christian Bruer
Nice and clean Ingmar. The fit of the railings and platforms is straight and clean, very well done.

Bill Spargo
Beautiful build , more photos please, looking forward to watching the progress.

Ingmar Stöhr
Thanks mates! A little update. The catapult. Took me longer than expected. Fit was poor and the carped monster took it's first toll on this build 😉 Added some extra detail like the cables that pull the sled and some pressure tubes. The sled does not look like in the drawings I have... but who cares 😉

Hanno Kleinecke
The Catapult looks super Ingmar. Good job with the cables, I can imagine how fiddly that must have been....
Are they wire or very thin plastic rod?

Jonns Pfeiffenberger
Huuii, das habe ich noch gar nicht gesehen! Tolle Arbeit bis jetzt! Great work so far!

Ingmar Stöhr
Some progress. Made a mast from brass tube. And scratch build a lot of stuff, that is not in the kit nor in the Eduard PE set. I think this part is ready for some primer.

Chris Parsons
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Sorry...that was my jaw dropping on the keyboard, amazing work!

Dave Flitton
Looking good.

Sven Schönyan
Looks very clean! I´ll watch your progress.

Christian Bruer
Makes a lot of fun following this. Very good and clean work on this Ingmar!

Christian Bruer
A scratch build cable hoist on the catapult – see photo no. 9. Excellent eye for detail Ingmar!

Ingmar Stöhr
Thank you mates! It is all Cristians fault, whose Belfast build inspired me to all the PE and scratch build stuff. Having good reference also does not "help". You constantly discover things that are not depicted in the kit, nor in the PE set... such is life 😉

Ingmar Stöhr
Could not resist and had to put some paint on. Pinwash and some highlighting. Like it!

Jonns Pfeiffenberger
👍 muss auch mal ein Schiffle bauen! 🙂

Christian Bruer
Sharp work Ingmar - looks great!
@Jonns, yep start one🙂

Aghis Barberopoulos
Very nice work so far, Prinz Eugen is a beautiful subject.

Holger Kranich
Simply astonishing' Ingmar! "Der Prinz" ist eines der schönsten Schiffe, die je die Meere befahren haben, finde ich! Einfach eine grandiose Linienführung!
You did a great work in the pe's look marvelous!

Ingmar Stöhr
Thank you mates. And yes! It realy is a nice ship.

Kerry COX
Ingmar, I am stunned. !!!! I never knew that the PE for ships was so amazing and detailed. I will enjoy watching the progress of your build and I have no doubts it will start me thinking about revisiting my JIN Yamoto. 🙂

Frank Krause
Uiuiui, da gibt es ja jede Menge zu gucken...
Klasse, Ingmar! 👍

Ingmar Stöhr
Finally some progress. Scratch build the main mast with yardarms from brass tube. Had to rework the mast because of an error in the Eduard instructions. That took me a while. Also added some bits and peaces here and there according to my references. I guess this is the "bad" influence of Christian's fabulous Belfast build 😉 It slows down the build, but it is a lot of fun and really adds some "eye candy".

Frank Krause
If you continue like this, Ingmar, we have to enter the "Palette" on Wangerooge on our knees...
Yeah, Christian's "bad influence"...😉

Christian Bruer
Ingmar, this is an amazing progress. All clean and sharp work and a good attention to detail – for example the slightly angled railing in photo no. 20. Just a few questions, the bell is scratch build, and what do you use for rigging? One advice, paint the PE stay's dark grey or black that they match to the rest of the rig.
Hehe, nice to see such bad influence result😉

Ingmar Stöhr
Thx!
@Christian: The railing in pic 20 is designed in this way by Eduard. By stays you mean the "things" under the yardarm, where you can stand on? For the rigging I use stretched sprue. You already mentioned two alternatives on my Fletcher build. But I think I'll stick to it for this build. If I look at my reference and see all these lines and antennas I get nightmares from it 😉 It will be a big challenge but it will look stunning, if I get it right. But it's a long way to go, till rigging can start in earnest.

Christian Bruer
Yep, under and on top the yardarm. Rigging is also not my favourite work in modelmaking but it is the cherry on the cake🙂

Ingmar Stöhr
Motivated by Christians progress on his Belfast I could no longer find excuses and after one day of drilling minute holes and folding PE the complete light AA armament of Prinz Eugen is now finished. Paint is already on. Pictures will follow shortly.

Joerg R.
Nice to see, your are back. Very good impressive work Ingmar. Keep on rolling 😉😉😉

Kerry COX
How many of these gun systems do you have to build Ingmar. ?
I know I had some issues building my 1/48 PE push bikes for my dio.
This is fantastic. 🙂
Belay that question as I have now, just this second, seen the complete set. OMG :-O

Thomas Mayer
Just found this amazing build. I wonder what drawings you refer to in the text of your pictures?
Congrats to this beautiful Prinz Eugen, my favourite ship!

Holger Kranich
Hey Ingmar!
Some serious nice Progress on this beautiful ship!Top work Buddy!

Ingmar Stöhr
Thank you guys!
@thomas: I use the Kagero Book as reference. It comes together with some 2d drawings. I can't comment on accuracy. But it shows every detail you could think of. Absolutely worth the money if you plan to do more than an out of box build.

Holger Kranich
Ingmar, ich ziehe meinen Hut vor diesem Bau!

Christian Bruer
Well Ingmar, this is, what I will call a well executed work Excellent and I'm honored to motivate you!

Cheers, Christian

Ingmar Stöhr
🙂 Thx Holger and Christian. Added some color to the AA mounts ans installed some of them. Most are just loosely placed for the pictures as they will interfere with mounting the railings. The yellow life-rafts give just the right amount of color to all the Grey. Still some washings to do and a lot more small parts like all the boats, cable reels, and not to forget a lot of railings and rigging. I got myself some "rig that thing" in three diameters and are very eager to give it a try. I'll try to keep up a slow but steady pace now since I really want this ship finished for our next show at the end of October. And thanks again for all your kind comments!

Christian Bruer
Ingmar, that looks brilliant! Please allow me to note some points, be careful with black washes, that will ruin your fine paintwork. Use grey washes toned down with white or light grey wash. This much better simulate a 3D effect to the surface. Second, you should replace the 20mm AA gun barrels by brass parts from MASTER. I guess they have 20mm barrels too!?
Where is the show held in October?
Cheers, Christian

Ingmar Stöhr
🙂 nothing goes unnoticed! I think I have the right barrels already but somehow decided to skip on them after all the other barrel changing. But you are right... why "ruin" everything for those 4 barrels 😉
The wash is actually a dark Grey. Maybe I'll use a lighter grey next time. but this time I'll stick to it. I'm afraid that otherwise you'll notice a difference in the "old" and "new" parts. I also just noticed that the tension in the superstructure parts riped of part of the superglue along with the paint. You can see that in pic 29 around the base of turret B. So next time I'll have to be more careful and use masking and plastic cement I guess. It's my first "big" ship and you need different techniques as with tanks 🙂 lesson learned.
The show is Faszination Modellbau in Friedrichshafen am Bodensee. It's a big show but mainly RC stuff and trains. Only a few scale modeling clubs. But it's close to us so we go with it. If everything works out, she might be traveling to Munster with me next year.

Christian Bruer
The devil is in detail🙂
Oh yes I noticed the upcoming upper work. I had the same fear on my Belfast. The middle deck section has a tricky fit with all the painting before and some other reasons. I used plastic cement in combination with bolts and nuts and superglue. It is now fixed for some weeks and – knock on wood – everything is fine. But even you use plastic cement, if there is a tension it will break of one day. I always try to support it by screws, nuts and bolts, first of all on ship models made of resin.

If you want to repair it, cut of carefully the ripped of paint – do you use Acrylics or enamels?. Add, carefully PVA glue along the seam line and then repaint deck and upper works along the repaired edge. That should work well.

Cheers, Christian

Ingmar Stöhr
I use acrylics except for the washes. I think I will leave it be for the moment. Also thank you for your tips! I noticed you were using bolts on your Belfast but then it was to late. As I said, you need different techniques for ships. For my AFV I usually glue everything together and paint afterwards. That works very well for me. But with a ship you have to take a different approach. Next time I will do a bit more planing. Z31 and Graf Spee (with real wood deck - another first) are already waiting in the stash but for now let's focus on getting this job done 😉

Mike Kryza
Absolute convincing. - (Give me your sharp eyes... 🙂)

Ingmar Stöhr
Some progress on the Prinz Eugen. Finished the ship's boats in the last days. Also spend a lot of time to mount all the small parts on the ship. Thats the nice thing with ships. Once you are through with all the tedious detail work you see huge progress in little time. Pictures are a bit behind the actual progress because I'm so into building, that I forget to take pictures. Only some minor details to add, then I can start the rigging process. Really looking forward to finishing this project.

Holger Kranich
Wahnsinn und absolut wunderbar, was Du hier zeigst!

Christian Bruer
Excellent work Ingmar. I much like the nice details all along. The crane looks superb, but I noticed you still add the cranes rig. Guess that will be a bit complicate to paint?!
Looking forward to your final progress🙂

Ingmar Stöhr
Danke Holger!
😉 Christian, I know what you are saying. I had the same thought...after I did the rigging on the crane. I guess I was a bit impatient then because I wanted to try the "rig that thing" filament. But I can assure you, that the cranes are painted in the meantime and it went better then I feared. But yes, thats one thing to consider in the future.

Ingmar Stöhr
Here you have some progress "in color". Started the rigging but I might have to redo the big antennas as they should have some sag. Still undecided on that. Also noticed some painting mistakes on the pictures, that I will have to correct.

Joerg R.
Absolut geil Ingmar 👍👍👍👍

Kerry COX
Superb in every way. 🙂 👍

Ingmar Stöhr
Thx mates! At the moment I'm a bit frustrated. In Pic 47 you can se some lines with lots of sag in them - that's what I wanted to achieve. But over night all these lines have stretched themselves! I'm using rig that thing because at the Moment I'm not able to stretch sprue in a way, that it represents the sag. There is always some "curling" which is ok, if you straighten it with some heat but what does not help if you want realistic sag. Any Ideas?

Choppa Nutta
Stretched sprue softened in hot water bent over a large enough radius and left to cool 🙂

Kerry COX
Exactly Choppa. 🙂 👍 👍 👍

Jonns Pfeiffenberger
Super geworden, tolle Details! 👍 👍

Mike Kryza
Klasse Bilder - freue mich schon darauf das Modell in FN in natura zu sehen... 👍

Ingmar Stöhr
Thanks Mike & John.
@Choppa & Kerry: sounds reasonable enough. Will give it a try.

Christian Bruer
Well Ingmar, with greatest respect, this is one of the best floating things I have seen so far! Very clean and sharp work on combination with a lot of extra details and a very good paint work. A truly fine representation of the lucky prince! You raise the bar high now mate

About your problem with rig that thing. That stuff will not really work with a sag even small. You should try to use stretched sprue! You need some time to get it right but it is it worth! Take a look to Jim Baumann's excellent explanation about rigging with stretched sprue but without to be to frustrated, because he is the master of stretch sprue🙂
He had shown to me how it works, it looks so easy when he did it and even with practice I'm not able to stretch the sprue as thin and straight as he did.

Cheers, Christian

Kerry COX
Stretched spru is definitely something that you can't practice enough, considering how much we all have at our disposal. !🙂
I have found that as soon as you have pulled both ends apart, lay the result on a cool surface immediately to cool it off rapidly and maintain the "Pull" on both ends until it is cool.:-/
That way, there is no "Curling" or distortion and it will stay as straight as you pulled it. 🙂.
Then cut to length as you need it.
Cheers.

Christian Bruer
@Kerry the trick is not to pull both ends! Heat the end tip of a sprue once soft enough dip the end onto your cutting mat and pull the sprue fast but controlled as far as you can before it get cold and will break. Hold tension in the sprue as long as possible. Try it some time and you'll get a thin and straight stretched spru. Take a look to the master of stretched sprue:
shipmodels.info/mws_...php?f=4&t=37536

Cheers, Christian

Choppa Nutta
very cool technique, I like it 🙂

Christian Bruer
@Choppa, if you ever have the chance to met Jim B., at Telford for example, get in contact to him. He knows a lot of ship modeling techniques and naval history and old cars, steam engine, etc. and he is a really fine chap too!

Choppa Nutta
Never been to Telford before must go one day 😄
even if it is the other end of the country from me 🙁

Ingmar Stöhr
😳
I'm a bit speechless. Such nice comments from you! I see so many flaws in the build. Maybe I raise my own bar to high for myself 😉 But I guess it's allays the same. You'll always know which detail you didn't fix or where you cheated a bit. I learned so many things during this build. There where also a lot of longer breaks. But in sum it was and is still a lot of fun. And don't get me wrong! I'm very pleased how everything turned out so far. You can look at the ship for a long time and you'll discover new details all the time.
@Choppa & Kerry: I did nit try the tip with the hot water and a curved surface yet, but your comments made me try the stretched sprue again. This time the result is much better. I only get one good stretched piece out of five, but with that there is no more curling. And it's much easier to represent the right amount of sag with it. I already replaced 4 lines with stretched sprue one day ago and they all are still ok. So I guess I will rip of all of the rig that thing stuff (except where there has to be a straight line) and go with stretched sprue.
@Christian: Thank you for the link. I read it with great interest. I might have to try his technique for tightening the lines one day! And also thank you for your very kind words, your support and your inspiring Belfast build, which made me come back to the bench more than once.
Enough of words for now. There is more sprue to be stretched 😉

Kerry COX
How sweet it is, to be a part of this "TEAM". 🙂 !!

Thomas Mayer
This build is going to be on show in Friedrichshafen? Booth number?
I am there, too, as guest of the PMC Bodensee!

Kerry, do you wanna come over? Free bed & breakfast with friends, mate! 😉

Ingmar Stöhr
Hi Thomas. Don't know the number but it will be right next to PMC Bodensee. IG Allgäuer Modellbaufreunde. If nothing bad happens she we'll be on display there. Looking forward to meeting you there.

Christian Bruer
Guess you're inspiring me to bring me back to my Belfast now Ingmar🙂

Ingmar Stöhr
That's one thing I like at SCM. You get constantly motivated to keep up your own work by all the others. As long as you don't spend ALL your time here 😉
More rigging done. Getting better at this stretched sprue stuff. So far it looks great. Only one or two lines have a little dent or did not sit very well. Yesterday I did one of those triple antennas and it went far better than feared. Hope I don't rip it of in an accident 🙁
Will try to post some pictures on the Weekend.

Jan Hazes
I have respect for the patience one can muster up for a build like this.Looks awesome Ingmar.

Kerry COX
Good words Jan. 👍 🙂

Thomas Mayer
Ingmar, look out for my 1/32 Ho 229! :-D

Ingmar Stöhr
Thx Jan. @Thomas: Will do!

Some WIP pictures of the rigging.

Christian Meyerhoff
Fantastic!

Thomas Mayer
Ingmar, your are from Leutkirch? Well, that´s about 20 minutes from my place! 🙂

Ingmar Stöhr
@Thomas: then I'm even more curious meeting you at Friedrichshafen.

Thomas Mayer
Heidi, my wife, was excited to know that there is at least one more modeller nearby! Looking forward for a chatter!

Christian Ristits
Just fantastic, You are a MASTER!

Ingmar Stöhr
DONE! - Es ist vollbracht.
Finally managed to attach the last lines, complete the ship's plane and mounted it to it's final base. This build took me little under two years - on and off. Many thanks to all mates who encouraged and motivated me to keep on with this project through comments and through your own work. After my Tamiya Tirpitz wich I build when I was 15 this was my first real attempt (almost 20 years later). I made mistakes, did things twice, repainted often, learned and practiced a lot. All in all this build was a lot of fun. I think many of you will know the feeling if after hours of struggling with some fiddly pieces (you first thought you would never get right) you look at your own work and think: Wow! How cool is that!

Hanno Kleinecke
Wonderfully delicate piece of art, wort to be shown in a museum !

Martyn Fox
Wonderful work. Such intricate detail.

Christian Ristits
Again, a real masterpiece!

Thomas Bischoff
👍 👍

Frank Krause
👍 Absolutely great job, Ingmar! 👍
"Wow! How cool is that!", is the correct expression!

Christian Bruer
Well Ingmar your – Wow! How cool is that! – is well deserved! As mentioned before this is a wonderful and impressive damn cool work!!!!

Christian Meyerhoff
Absolute great! A real masterpiece!

Kerry COX
Ingmar, I can imagine you sitting there looking at this beautiful piece of art, with a HUGE grin on your face, feeling oh so content, BUT, still looking for something you missed. LOL. 🙂
Museums would be falling over each other to have this in their display cases.👍
Congratulations on such a superb result.🙂
Salute. 👍

Jonns Pfeiffenberger
Listen to Kerry's words above, he is absolutely right! Great job! 👍

Acki
Was kann man noch sagen, was die Vorschreiber nicht schon gesagt hätten? Es ist ein purer Genuß dieses Schiff mit all seinen Details anzusehen. Die Qualität der Fotos tut ein Übriges. Respekt! Wow! How cool is that!

Joerg R.
sehr schön gemacht Ingmar 😉

Ingmar Stöhr
Thank you mates! Your kind words are very much appreciated!

Holger Kranich
Als alter Fan des glorreichen Prinzen und nach erneuter Durchsicht des Kagero Heftes, kann ich nur sagen: Scheiße Geil, Ingmar! 👍

Und triff Dich mit Thomas und überrede Ihn das er auch kommt!!! Thomas ist ein Guter!😢

Thomas Mayer
Ich ein Guter? Ha!!! Lern du mich erst mal in Natura kennen, hehe... 😉
Freue mich schon Ingmar in FN zu treffen! Die Eugen ist eines der ganz wenigen Schiffe die mich schon immer fasziniert haben.

Ingmar Stöhr
I also feel that the Prinz Eugen has nice lines and has something to it.
Thank you Holger!!!! And I especially like your translation of my "How cool is that" into German. I couldn't have found a more suitable expression myself 😉 Looking really forward seeing you again next year. Maybe once you'll find your way to our lovely Allgäu?

Holger Kranich
It would be blasphemy if i dont find my way into the landscape called: Allgäu!😢

Mike Kryza
Holly, it's not so far away as Hurghada... - But be aware, here are mountains... 🙂🙂🙂

Holger Kranich
Ob ich die Höhenluft vertrage? Bekomm ja schon keine Luft mehr wenn ich hier ´ne Düne hochlaufe...😢

Thomas Mayer
Vielleicht die Kippen schuld, hehe 😉

Holgi, schick mir doch bitte mal den Link zu eurem 4. Treffen nächstes Jahr. Ich finde den gerade nicht. Danke dir!

Holger Kranich
Aber gerne doch, Thomas, hier kommt er:

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Holger Kranich
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Mike Kryza
Nee nee, das sind die Frauen bei Holger - saft- und kraftlos ist das Ergebnis... 🙂

Holger Kranich
Danke Mike, endlich merkts mal einer!

Mike Kryza
Das macht die Erfahrung.😉

Holger Kranich
Oh, lass das nicht Marina hören😢😢

Mike Kryza
Dann rollt sie nur mit den Augen!!!

Treehugger
What is the best approach for gluing on and adding paint to the photo etch railings? Maybe, best if having a wooden deck, that could be glued on AFTER gluing + airbrushing all the photo etch railings?

Treehugger
I mean, I wouldn't want to glue on and paint the photo etch railings, and THEN try mask the model so that I could paint the flat deck surfaces.

Jose Miguel Rodriguez
Excellent work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ingmar Stöhr
Thank you Jose!
@Treehugger: I can only tell you what works for me. I glue the railings as one of the last steps. If possible I paint deck houses separately and glue them to the painted deck or the wood deck. It would be quiet impossible to mount wood deck after railing!
I paint the railing while still on the PE fret. Use an airbrush, as with a brush paint will be to thick. Then I glue the railing to the deck with super glue. Where the paint got damaged I touch up with brush. I also touch up the places where you see super glue on the hull. Where there is super glue on the deck, you can use some matte varnish to touch up and hide it. I hope that explanation helps.

Martin Oostrom
It sure helped me 👍

Martin Oostrom
Very nice work (almost forgot)

ice
What a nice ship and its absolutely "macro-sve". How on earth do you glue the photoetched parts without any drop of glue visible?

Ingmar Stöhr
Thx mates!
Ice, believe me, if you know where to look you can find the glue 😉
Most of it is overpainted or at least touched up with matte varnish to hide the glossiness of the glue. Using super thin glue and as little as possible also helps.

Roland Sachsenhofer
Now that is a impressive and good looking representation of the lucky ship! I adore the work on the rigging; you can go on rig a pure sailing ship with those skills

Choppa Nutta
yeah that rigging alone is impressive as is the masking and painting of the float plane (Arado ?)

Ingmar Stöhr
Thanks! No sailing ship planned for the near future 😉 The only skill involved is patience - a lot of patience and of course good references.
I think the camouflage on the Arado is actually hand painted - but I'm not sure. It's been a while....

Alec K
Absolutely fantastic work 👍

CapitanoSlow
Nice. Riging, and glue photo etc. Top Job but painting really not so much. For distance its fine but when comes closer look not so nice.

Clifford Keesler
Beautiful ship, well done.

Ingmar Stöhr
Thank you!

andvkubar
Very nice build!

Gerald
Reife Leistung überragend in Scene gesetzt Hut ab.👍

Ingmar Stöhr
Thank you! Danke!

Neuling
I agree with Gerald.

Norbert Steffens
Fantastic model and I'm speecless about your rigging!!! How did you do the Radio? cables between mast and tower. Impressing

Ingmar Stöhr
All the rigging is made of stretched sprue, a lot of patience and quiet some cursing.