WIP Deperdussin Monocoque (museums machine)
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27 20 February 2020, 22:07
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What a gorgeous airplane! Looks like a real multimedia project. This will be good, taking a seat 👍
20 February 2020, 22:52
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Der letzte Flieger ist noch warm und der neue ist schon in Arbeit. Respekt.😉 Der Holzrumpf ist ja genial. Oo
21 February 2020, 08:08
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Welcome Alec and Erik! The rotary engine Gnome Lambda-Lambda is finished. The name comes from the 7-cylinder 80hp Lambda, which is used to create a 14 cylinder 160hp double rotary.
21 February 2020, 18:45
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Thank you mates! The kits are amazing! These are the best resin kits you can imagine 👍 Great details, not a single bubble and well engineered.
22 February 2020, 14:54
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New game - next level!
For the wings, the kit only foresees the covering of the etched wings with paper and a subsequent bending - no, not for me.
I have already made this experience with my Demoiselle, this has several problems:
- The wings are thin, but not that thin!
- You should glue the paper as a "pocket". If the upper and lower side touch each other, which is easily possible, because the paper is curled wet and has only an etch part thickness as distance, you never get it apart again and it looks like sh..
- In the original the bottom side was rather flat and not curved.
My solution idea: thin wooden strips.
On the circular saw, it only worked with such thin slats after I had inserted a new saw blade.
29 August 2020, 10:59
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er ok, wow, wow and wow !!!
What a kit !!
and what a build !!
That wooden fuselage is something else altogether, this kit really is aimed at the craftsman.
Love the way you're handling the flying surfaces and having looked through a couple of reviews of the kit I can see why you upgraded the engine,
the detail is so real, lovely work thus far, this really is next level work ! 🙂
Bughunter, you do choose some very unusual kits and subjects, this is one fascinating project ! 🙂
29 August 2020, 11:39
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A Deperdussin, obviously... Missed the early warm up, happy to make it to the unique bits! The translucent wing looks magnificent. 👍
One knows it's a challenging project when the 1€-cent coin need help from Zötler Bierdeckel & company as early as on pic 5😉
Looking forward to all things coming together & the full early aviation materials encyclopedia fireworks!
29 August 2020, 13:36
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Clever solution for those wings. My dad was an RC sailplane builder and I remember him applying tissue paper to balsawood using lacquer. I always wondered if this technique could be used in scale modeling, and there you did it 👍
29 August 2020, 17:59
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Heiliger BimBam... Pic 20... Der Hammer... Immer wieder findest Du Lösungen, die sonst nirgends zu sehen sind.
29 August 2020, 18:31
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Thank you all mates!
Yes, it is a very special kit. The aircraft exits in some variants with different wings, engine covers ... The 1913 one was the first aircraft which reached 200km/h 👍 I find it much more modern compared to some WWI biplanes some years later.
@Bart - The wooden hull was part of the kit. I saw also reviews, where it was made from resin. Both possible in same box.
I decided to overpaint it with building the museums machine. The hull is made of beech, but the structure is much too rough/big to be in scale.
@Christoph - at the moment I try to find and work on a solution for a specific problem. If it will work (not sure yet), you may need seat belts for the next update 🙂
29 August 2020, 19:27
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I added pictures of the kit content and moved them to the beginning (1-11 now).
I ruined the hull by trying to stain it. It became totally uneven, so I sanded it down again.
29 August 2020, 19:52
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I was wondering about the wood fibers being in scale. Looking forward to seeing the final Hull.
What do you think of AJP Maquettes kits? Cheap they are not!
29 August 2020, 20:05
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Nice to see the kit contents in this unusual build thread.
The engine in the kit looks horrible, especially compared to the upgrade !! 🙂
One assumes this version of the plane will no longer have a huge spinner any more ?😉
Would be a shame to hide that gorgeous engine ....
29 August 2020, 20:11
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@Bilbo Hmm, the AJP kits are totally different, without a single piece of plastic. As result you need a different way to build them. The quality is different from part to part. Some very nice parts and some parts, which I would not use. On the other hand you can find nice aircraft types in the AJP range which are not available somewhere else. So the only alternative would be scratch building.
@Choppa Nutta I'm afraid that there won't be much of the engine visible.
This wikipedia pictures are my template:
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30 August 2020, 10:50
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That is a great shame to have put all that lovely work into something you won't be able to see ...
perhaps put the engine onto a scale test stand to be displayed next to the model and insert the kit engine instead ? 🙂
30 August 2020, 11:35
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@Bughunter Thanks for the answer! I was wondering about whether or not to buy one ("Voisin Farman ' N°1 ' 1908" that I'd like to modify into one of the very first planes build in Belgium, the "Voisin de Caters IV" as shown in the Royal Army Museum here in Brussels);
The pictures of the Deperdussin Monocoque look indeed like a much more "modern" aircraft...
30 August 2020, 13:22
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A lot of those very old aircrafts in the program of AJP are to big for my glass cabinet, so I own only some of the kits.
30 August 2020, 13:31
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Definitely the right choice with the full paint - the wooden fuselage maybe would make an interesting effect on a "naked" build, but as you posted - the pattern is way out of scale (and frankly - I have seen nicer ones from you on propellers and wood-parts😉 ) - painted it looks much more like the actual airplane 👍
30 August 2020, 17:27
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Thank you Slavo!
There is another replica in America, which has a tulip wood fuselage and a different cowling. I have thought about wrapping cherry wood veneer in strips around the fuselage. But this would need to thin the fuselage, but it is already very thin in the front area and my cherry veneer has also some water channels etc.
So yes, to build the Paris aircraft is much more straightforward to success.
30 August 2020, 18:32
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Love the latest pics! And the shadow effect is just perfect... 👍
4 September 2020, 19:50
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The promised solution for the specific problem 'cowling' is now online!
@Christoph - I think this solution was never done in this scale too😉
It might make sense to fasten your seatbelts now before you look at the pictures!
4 September 2020, 19:50
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I agree with Spanjaard. Excellent work on the cowling, and those wings look amazing! 👍
5 September 2020, 06:23
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As I said before, better to watch your reports in a lying position. Pic 45 is a real hit. And the Pics of your cowling would knock me right out of my armchair...
Good I was lying on my sofa.
5 September 2020, 08:25
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It is truly generous to discard the old vs new cowling with the justification of the old one being too small... Because otherwise, they are practically the same thing, don't they...? 🙂 I guess the only remaining reason you still bother to buy a kit to start with is the box-art... 😄
It's really great to watch these little miracles of yours take shape! 👍
5 September 2020, 08:43
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translucent wing covering + airbrushed race markings = extrasuperprimagood result🙂
6 September 2020, 16:22
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Thank you mates for such amount of nice comments!
Added the next batch of pictures with airscrew and spinner.
6 September 2020, 18:55
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Great job on the lathe work. I am particularly impressed by the spinner 👍
7 September 2020, 15:23
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Thank you mates! I'm working now on the tail, again with PE wood and paper.
8 September 2020, 20:47
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The tail is done. May be I should try to paint a black frame and those lines around the blue on the flag with a small brush as on this Wikipedia picture?
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Does anyone know what this flag means? From the colors it reminds me of Brazil, but the pilot Maurice Prévost was French.
10 September 2020, 19:27
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This is what it looks like when zoomed in:
drive.google.com/fil..ag/view?usp=drivesdk
It represents an actual flag, with ropes.
Hope it helps...
10 September 2020, 19:49
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On Wikipedia there is a high resolution picture, is very detailed if I zoom in.
I have no access to your link. Is this a flag of a country?
10 September 2020, 20:01
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usually you just need to add a link to an image, for it to work. the one you did, need to log in to see it, that is why it does not appear.
for example the one from bughunter [img1] (just right click-copy image location)
here removing h ttp://www. (added one space in between, or it does not appear)
scalemates.com/newsfeed/img/8/815c1f3e3cc6f7a63319029a343ae51a120efb91.jpg
10 September 2020, 20:12
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this would have worked (added spaces so you can see the link) h t tps://www.scalemates.com/albums/img/4/1/5/841415-41848-41-pristine.jpg
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10 September 2020, 20:47
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Ok, and what does it stand for? Found also pictures of the Deperdussin B with a comparable flag. Also the inverted picture search (with the picture as input) does not found a useful result.
May be the flag of the company Deperdussin or SPAD, or a city? It is not the one of Reims, where the race was.
10 September 2020, 20:53
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I took the liberty of contacting the Musée de l'air et de l'espace to get more info about this. Not sure if I'll ever get an answer but hey...
(Und ich hoffe dass ich meine "Kompetenzen" nicht überschritten habe, dachte nur zu helfen.)
11 September 2020, 09:10
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I received the standard acknowledgement mail back, but nothing else yet. My guess is that well have something early next week... Hopefully!😉
11 September 2020, 11:07
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During this project I collected around 100 different pictures and drawings of this aircraft from the internet. This was the base the scratched details and paintings.
The flag has now it's black frame😉 Pictures later ...
12 September 2020, 11:51
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I didn't dare point that out...😉
And I guess the strange blocks of 4 black lines in the yellow corners would be just too fine to reproduce in 1:48.
12 September 2020, 12:09
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Is the nail intended to be used to nail the box closed so you can't get to the kit! 😄
I say 'kit' but the contents of the box looks more like a handful of stuff from my shed than a kit – are you sure that 1912 isn't the date this model was produced?😉
This could have been a disaster, but in Bughunter's hands it looks like it's going to be another masterpiece.
12 September 2020, 15:28
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Gorby 👍 The nail is to be used as engine axis 🙂 No, 1912 is not the date this kit was produced.
Today I found a picture of a Breguet biplane in a book, and on the photo was a model, with little wheels and rigging in front of the real plane 👍
The AJP kits are not for beginners, but the PE parts are nice and the kits contain other nice material, eg. piano wires. This is a more rigid material as brass and can be soldered. The fuselage of the Demoiselle is made of piano wires and PE. So AJP is not cheap, not easy, but a nice range of old struts are available.
Santos-Dumont Demoiselle 1908 | Album by bughunter (1:48)
12 September 2020, 17:42
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The whole project thus far is rather impressive but the thing that gets me is the turning of the brass spinner !
Once you have cut out the inside of it how do you hold onto it to do the outside ?
12 September 2020, 18:51
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Choppa, on pic55 you can see the outside on the left. I turned at first the outside. Then I parted off the spinner, but let a small part of the rod. Flipped it to be able to work on the back side. At first with a drill, and then thinned it with chisel as shown. Finally parted off with this bore iron rod.
May be this was not the perfect way since I was never taught to use a lathe, but it works.
12 September 2020, 20:13
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In all our plastic kits we have to build the cockpit at first, to be able to close the fuselage. This one is a bit different, the fuselage is painted, but the cockpit not yet done - this is now the next task. Added the next batch of pictures.
12 September 2020, 20:14
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Yeah I'm having difficulty interpreting the image,
...... it's not clear to me exactly what's going on there ...
even so I admire the result 🙂
12 September 2020, 21:13
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Thank you Rui! After this bird without any plastic part I think I will need a normal kit for relaxing😉
13 September 2020, 19:43
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The engine is covered by the cowling, and this unit make this racing machine much more elegant!
19 September 2020, 19:48
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Can't wait to see the final result!
By the way, no news yet from the museum... Meh!?
19 September 2020, 21:22
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Incredible. So precise and clean. In another time you would have been a watch maker!
19 September 2020, 21:29
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Thank you Bilbo and John!
Been away for some days so have not touched a model for some time. I hope to find some time (and mood) the next days to continue on this one.
2 October 2020, 15:53
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It started to look better than the museum-piece some time ago, now the question remains how much better it will get... 👍😉
4 October 2020, 13:05
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Very impressive. If modeling were an olympic sport you would earn a huge number of points for degree of difficulty.
4 October 2020, 20:39
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Thank you mates! Daniel, I am very grateful that I have the opportunity to buy and build such great rotary engine kits! I hope that one day the Gnome-N and the Bentley BR.2 are added to the product line, because both are important types (and I have kits for them😉
5 October 2020, 19:56
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My mood is not back completely. Made some silly mistakes, which need time to repair and need in general lot of time for easy things ... But I continued!
Some detail painting is needed and the front window is also missing, but then this bird is finished.
I think I will not add a weathering to this flat/matt paint and let it as clean object on display.
10 October 2020, 19:38
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Top! 103: when I should as plane designer solve such a problem I would use exactly the same way...🙂
10 October 2020, 19:44
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Outcome is amazing ... I would also leave out the weathering and present it that way..
Wonderful Frank once agin...👍
And this is a real Multimediakit
10 October 2020, 21:22
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Thank you David! Just painted the last details, I think I'm done with it😉
Final pictures soon.
11 October 2020, 12:22
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The Monocoque is finished! Don't miss the final pictures here:
Deperdussin Monocoque | Album by bughunter (1:48)
Thanks for watching!
11 October 2020, 18:36